Ranking the Arrowverse #12

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I have a book and a play to be writing. So what have I decided to instead? Rank the Arrowverse. When I used to run a website, one of my favourite things to do was ranking things. I never really knew why I enjoyed it so much and it’s one of the few things I’ve missed, other than the freebies I used to get, ah how I miss the freebies. With all of the CW DC shows now on a break until October, now seems like the perfect time to give this a go. I’ll add a season per post for the next 12 blog posts. This is from worst to best by the way.

Before I do, quick update on The Jump. I entered it into a short story competition but one of the rules is that it can’t be published anywhere until it closes, even on this blog. Always the pessimist, I don’t expect it to do very well, so when I’m allowed I’ll get it out there straight away.

SPOILERS ahead for Arrow seasons 1-4

12. Arrow Season 4

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It’ll be lighter they said. Oliver Queen will be more fun they said. They lied. Arrow season 3 is hardly a stellar season of television, but season 4? Man. Thankfully this is the only season in the whole Arrowverse that I actually hate, the only one to do so much wrong that there is barely any redeeming qualities to it. The first episode actually seemed to deliver on the promises that we were given, it was a fun episode and set Damien Darhk up as an extremely intriguing villain. But everything went downhill far too quickly from there. The first half of the season suffered due to being bogged down with setting up Legends of Tomorrow, much like The Flash season 2, only this one didn’t have a compelling enough story to make that forgivable. Sara’s resurrection was fine, Constantine was a welcome addition, but very little here had an impact on the show itself. The Darhk threat quickly became tedious, building up to a ridiculously overblown plan that stretched credibility to breaking point, even for a verse that has time travelling superheroes. Arrow has for the most part been the more grounded of the shows and it’s clear from this season it needs to stay that way.

Then there were all the character problems. Diggle arguably had the best here, his plight with brother was great to watch and gave him something to do that wasn’t just reacting to other characters actions. Although, his suit and helmet were hilariously bad. Quentin too at least got some development, his questionable actions here added new depths to his character even they left him largely redundant in the following season. The rest though? Not good. Oliver continued his terrible decision making from the previous season, keeping a secret from Felicity for literally no good reason and thus ending the relationship that had become far too integral to the show. Thea was underused, Laurel existed to be the catalyst behind Sara’s return and then was sacrificed for a cheap death that was irritatingly teased all season long.

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How great is it that there is finally a disabled character in the Arrowverse. Oh, wait….

Then there was Felicity. I like Felicity, I don’t hate her like some fans do but man did they test that this season. She ended things with Oliver over a secret that he kept regarding his son (poor move from Oliver but a relationship ending secret it was not). Then she became paralysed, only to stick the middle finger up at disabled people everywhere by quickly regaining the use of her legs thanks to some stupid tech that newcomer Curtis made. But that’s nothing when you remember that she nuked and killed thousands of people.  No, it wasn’t her fault, her actions made sense but there was so little fallout from it (excuse the pun) that it became laughable. This should have broken her, this should have seen her wind up in therapy, unable to even carry on for a time after doing such a thing. What did we get? Next to nothing. It was brought up again early in season 5 but the impression I get is that Felicity doesn’t really give a crap. It’s as close to character destroying as you can get.

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The flashbacks were so forgettable I had to google this characters name.

And then there were the flashbacks. They were dull in season 3 but at least they seemed like they had a point there. I can barely remember anything that happened with them this year because the writers gave the impression they were being shoehorned in for the sake of it. There was some guff about magic that tied into Damien Darhk which gave it a tenuous link but these were so forgettable, so half arsed that I got distracted by other things when they were on screen.

By the time the season grew to a close and the team scattered, I was past caring about them. So much so that I struggled to invest in season 5 which was infinitely better. I was so sure they would screw up the following season that I didn’t allow myself to enjoy it as much as I should have done. That’s how bad this season was.

Best Episode: Green Arrow

Worst Episode: Schism 

Mondays…

Monday’s are a day when I just know that I won’t get any writing done, no this blog doesn’t count. The Monday blues are indeed a thing and I’m sure I suffer with it more than most, so much so that from about 5pm on a Sunday, all I’m doing is dreading the fact that in the morning I’m going to have to go to work. Yes, this means I’m in a job I don’t enjoy, and no I’m not staying. Now today is over, there’s only 9 more Monday’s left at this current job before I venture out into the unknown. As for what that brings, well hopefully it will mean I can have a real crack at this whole writing thing, with a novel already completed (and a second on the way) and a short story already finished, I’ve made a head start, now I need to really knuckle down with it.

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Forces update! The editor has nearly finished, which means I should be able to get it out there sooner than the late August date I had in mind. Considering I had changed my plans to release the first and second books fairly close together, this means I need to really get cracking on the second. 22,000 words down, at least another 60,000 to go. Must. Focus.

As well as that, several people have now read The Jump, the short story I’ve just finished. All positive responses, which is awesome. The plan for that one is still to put it online for free, maybe even on here.

On a separate note. How useless are Amazon logistics? I joked on Twitter that if I say it’s them who are delivering it, I can assume it won’t be here on time, but really that isn’t a joke, it’s true. It’s a good job that being a prime member has other benefits, because next day delivery isn’t something they can guarantee when they use such a unreliable company to deliver.

Thoughts on the Supernatural Finale

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Heads up, if you’ve found your way here and you haven’t yet watched the finale for season 12 of Supernatural, you may want to stop reading. If you have, do continue!

I love Supernatural, have done since its second season. But, it’s a show that I find hard to really invest in, because despite the stakes usually being pretty high, the deaths on the show have never really been handled overly well. Obviously with a show in this genre, you expect a death or two to be taken back, or you expect to see someone occasionally after their character has been offed, to say this show has overdone that would be an understatement. In recent years, the only two that I can think of that haven’t returned in some form after dying are Rufus and Charlie. Sure, he showed up in a flashback last year but that’s fine, and a much better way of bringing someone people love back into play for an episode. As for Charlie, as sad as her death was, it didn’t really have any impact on me, I felt sure it would be cheated somehow, or she would be back as a quirky ghost to help the Winchesters out. That hasn’t actually happened yet but the point is, deaths on this show have lost the sense of finality that they need to really make me feel for what I’m seeing on screen

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So, when this latest episode aired and killed off the long time characters of Castiel and Crowley, I was shocked certainly, but I wasn’t upset about it. There’s nothing to convince me that either one will be a sticking point by the time season 13 comes round, not least because it would be a really tiny panel at comic con this year. Furthering my doubts that these deaths will stick is the fact that there have been no interviews (that I have seen) by anyone in the show about it. Castiel and Crowley have been a huge part of this show for years now, I don’t believe for one second that they would be killed off without a word from anyone about it after it aired.

Which likely means that both characters will be back in some form when the show comes back. For me though, I don’t want them to be. I adore both characters, but it really feels like this is a great time to move forward, bring in one or two new regulars, or even just go back to this being a show about Sam and Dean. If the show really is going to end with an abbreviated 14th season, it would be a good time to go back to basics a bit. Plus, as much as I love him, and Mischa Collins, it really does feel like the character of Castiel has run his course. There’s been so many variations of the character over the years, so many tired excuses to get him away from the brothers and off on his own, I’d miss him if he was gone but I am leaning towards it being for the best. I’m a bit torn on Crowley, out of the two it’s definitely him that still has the most to offer, but sacrificing himself to kill Lucifer? That’s as perfect a way to write him out as there even can be.

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But as I say, I have no doubt that they will both be back next season, and Supernatural will continue its trend of not making a death mean anything. I hope I’m wrong, I hope the show shows that it has the balls to follow through on something like this. It would certainly cause me to become a little more invested in it again.

Short Stories

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When I first started writing, I was never keen on the idea of attempting a short story. I didn’t think it was enough time to develop a character and produce something that a reader could invest in. I was wrong. Although, I did see a short story contest with a maximum word count of 850 words, that I personally don’t feel is nearly enough.

I’ve just finished a second draft on my on one, just under 4000 words and I’m surprised how much I was able to get in there. I didn’t go through with a few ideas that I was hoping to include but honestly, I think it may be for the best. I have an idea of how to adapt the story into another medium anyway, they can be used then. The whole process is actually more rewarding than finishing a whole normal length novel for me, admittedly though that may be because it’s a heck of a lot easier to read back over. I’ve gone from not being interested in short stories, to wanting to write a ton more of them, slightly worrying considering I have 4 and a half more Forces novels to write.

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That guy at the front, he has a shotgun axe. Yes, it’s as cool as it sounds.

On a separate note, Agents of SHIELD! The finale for it’s latest run just aired and wow, I instantly want to rewatch the whole thing. Chances are you don’t watch this show, it’s hard to find people that stuck with it through its (admittedly mediocre) first run of episodes. My advice? Try again. The show was held back creatively thanks to a pesky superhero called Captain America. They were restricted heavily with what they were allowed to do until the midway point of its first season, as soon as Winter Soldier came out, they went for it. Each season has been better than the last and its latest fourth run (it’s coming back for a fifth) was truly special. Incredible storytelling, incredible writing, truly one of the best seasons of a show this 2016/17 season. Do yourself a favour, catch up in time for the next run, likely starting In January, and watch the best show you’re not watching.

Is There Too Much TV Now?

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Today I finished the first draft of a short story I’m writing. I have to say, that feeling I get when I finish a first draft is great, it’s just a shame that it’s followed up with a feeling of dread that comes with read through’s and rewrites. Still, it’s only 4000 words, so shouldn’t take too long, then it’s straight back to Forces 2, or whatever side project jumps into my head next. This one is called ‘The Jump’ by the way, the plan is to release it for free online.

So it’s upfronts week! Which means we get to find out what shows will be starting/coming back/not coming back next season. Yes, it’s a nervy time but this year I only lost one show I watched due to cancellation, Scream Queens, and to be fair, that was never exactly likely to return.

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The renewal I’m happiest about

What I did realise though, was that there is just way too much TV to watch nowadays. Below is a list of every show that I want to watch that will be airing in the next 12 months, or that I haven’t finished watching yet. This list doesn’t include any shows that have finished airing that I still haven’t completed yet, and there’s a few of them. It’s getting to the stage where it’s no surprise that new shows fail, there’s just far too much competition.

Orville
Ghosted
Arrow
Flash
Supergirl
Legends of Tomorrow
Supernatural
Agents of Shield
iZombie
The 100
Blindspot
Leathal Weapon
Timeless
Better Call Saul
Walking Dead
Talking Dead
13 Reasons Why
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
The Defenders
Game of Thrones
Fear the Walking Dead
Twin Peaks
This is Us
The X-Files
Inhumans
The Gifted
Marvel’s Runaways
Black Lightning
Orange Is The New Black
Legion
Preacher
Outcast
American Horror Story
A.P Bio
Ash vs Evil Dead
Dark Matter
Killjoys
The Expanse
Colony
Feud
The Good Place
The Handmaids Tale
American Gods
Humans
The Last Ship
The OA
Stranger Things
Outlander
Alex, Inc
The Path
Peaky Blinders
Doctor Who
Victoria
Red Dwarf
The Gospel of Kevin
The Mayor
Splitting up Together
Seal Team
Me myself and I
Valor
911
Rise
Reverie

And I’m sure there must be one or two I’m forgetting. It may be the TV golden age right now, but it’s definitely becoming nigh on impossible to stay caught up.

While The Cat’s Away….

The mouse will watch Titanic.

Gone are the days where the girlfriend being away equalled a night out with the lads. Now I’m in thirty-three, and I don’t drink, the best I can do is a takeaway and a movie with the volume turned up. This is excitement in your thirties, well my thirties at least. Oh, I can’t even have a takeaway, due to my need to at least lose a bit of weight, mixed with my ability to eat a lot of food. Awesome.

I probably should address Titanic. It seems to be the in thing to do now, slating that movie, as if it’s somehow “cool” not to like it. The funny thing is, when it came out, I barely found anyone that disliked it. For me, it’s easily my second favourite movie of all time (something truly special has to come along to beat Con Air) and I’ll never understand the dislike for it. I can see it’s flaws, it does have some, but as a whole it’s such a beautifully shot, scored, acted and directed movie that I have no shame in loving it.

Rounding out my top 5 by the way are Donnie Darko, Whiplash and Armageddon. For me, all I really want from a movie is to enjoy myself, regardless of how many issues the film has. Armageddon is a great example of that. It makes little sense, it’s got some awful dialogue, but I don’t give a shit, every time I watch it, I have a great time. I’ll take something like that over things like The Artist or La La Land any day.

And to those who say Titanic is a rubbish film, but bang on about how great La La Land was, how many awards did Titanic win? A bucket load.

Just to add to this a little, I didn’t hate La La Land, I was just very bored throughout it. It’s very much like films such as Birdman and The Artist, apparently universally loved, yet I couldn’t see the appeal. I don’t think any less of people that do enjoy them though, the beauty of movies is that they appeal to different people for different reasons. Not everyone has to like the same thing, something internet comment sections seem to regularly forget.

Unless you like things like Epic Movie and Meet The Spartans, then you quite clearly are a dick.

Football, Lemony Snicket and Eurovision.

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Being a football fan (or soccer fan to those of you who decided to change the name) can be a tough, heartbreaking ride. Especially if you are not a fan of a club who has seen their success ride alongside financial investment.
A lot of my friends are Arsenal fans, all season long, all I’ve seen is moaning, despite this club being a contender for so many years now. To Arsenal fans I say this, try supporting someone like Crystal Palace, then you’ll have something to moan about.

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We seem to be a team that enjoy self destructing. This season alone, despite battling relegation, we have beaten so many top tier teams. We won 2-1 against Liverpool, how did we celebrate that? By losing the next three matches and conceding 8 goals in the process. It’s like the players enjoy leaving things to the last minute when it comes to guaranteed survival. We always do this. We gain momentum, then we instantly lose it and tumble down the table. Still at least we’re safe for another year, hopefully we can spend some money over the summer and actually get consistent good results next season. I just hope that the players and our manager Sam Allardyce aren’t forgetting that this match against Hull didn’t need to be vital, we should have been safe weeks ago.

Now that the football is out the way, the rest of the day will be writing whilst catching up on TV. Finally finished Netflix’s ‘A Series of Unfortunate Events.’ Good for the most part, but largely repetitive to the point of annoyance. Unlike most shows on Netflix, this is one that I actually thinks benefits from not being binge watched. I haven’t read the books it’s based on, but it seems the repeated stories are a side effect from staying faithful to them, at least from what I’ve seen discussed online. If you’re a fan of the books, I’d love to know if they’re the same.

Next up, ‘Bloodline‘. I loved the first season but for some reason never started season 2. With the final run about to be released, it seems like a good time.

Oh and an update on yesterday. Yes, I did have to watch Eurovision, no I didn’t enjoy it. Although saying that, the yodel song was definitely an experience I’m glad I witnessed.

As was this genius from Croatia.

And our contestant was actually good!

Those three things were literally the only things I didn’t hate. Oh and Ireland, what the hell?

Lazy Saturday

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So, Mel was laid up all last week with what seemed like mild flu. I did the dutiful boyfriend thing, looked after her, searched everywhere for the only lemsip she’ll drink (apple and cinnamon) and provided legitimate care and sympathy. My reward? I have what I think is about to develop into mild flu. Awesome. That does mean a lazy Saturday is in order though! The plan for the day is movies, followed by Britain’s Got Talent (yeah, I like that show) and then maybe another movie. Unless I’m forced to watch The Eurovision Song Contest, in which case, shit.

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It’s grown more since this was taken

For those who don’t know, I have quite the Blu-Ray obsession. I’ve soared past the point though where watching them all is a quick thing, there’s so many here I haven’t got around to watching yet. So we’re doing an A-Z, watching them over time until we’ve seen them all, without skipping any that we haven’t both seen. Today we’re a few titles into the B’s, which has meant that on today’s agenda is The Big Lebowski and The Big Short.

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The Big Lewbowski I thought I’d seen, years ago, but watching it now makes me think otherwise. I’m actually a little disappointed with past Joe for never doing so. It’s rare to come across a film that feels so unique, that feels so much like it’s own thing, it’s refreshing. Brilliant performances too throughout. It’s the best I’ve seen John Goodman, which considering how incredible he was in 10 Cloverfield Lane is saying something, and of all the performances I’ve seen of Jeff Bridges, it’s this that seems like the role he was put on the planet to play.

As for The Big Short, this was one that I had seen before and I didn’t really like it all that much. I’ve heard so many good things about it since that I’m starting to think I either wasn’t in the right mindset when I watched it, or I didn’t pay enough attention. It was worth another watch. And it turns out, I enjoyed it a lot more the second time around. I still don’t think it’s an exceptional movie, but then I find quite often that he movies that get nominated for all the awards are the ones I don’t really care for, I’m looking at you La La Land.

After these, we skip through Black Hawk Down (Brilliant), Black Mass (Average) and Black Sheep (Good) and then we get to the Blade Trilogy. These I have seen but Mel hasn’t, we’ll watch the first and then it’s up to her whether we watch the sequels. If she doesn’t want to I may watch them on my own, I’m curious as to whether Trinity really is as awful as I remember. After that, Blade Runner. My excitement levels at watching that again are set to high.

I’m also debating doing one of those YouTube video’s where I go through the collection. If enough people ask, I’ll get around to it. May involve setting an entire day aside though.

Oh and on a Forces note, book 2 is currently up to the 18000 word mark. This will mean little to almost everyone as the first still isn’t out yet, but at least there’s progress.

Happy weekend to everyone, I hope you all evade the flu bug!

Forces Update

I’ve had several people asking when Forces is going to be released, which is lovely, though frustrating as I had aimed to have released it by April. So, why the delay?

Well first up is the editing process. I have an editor, but unfortunately he hasn’t been able to get to the book as quickly as we both would have liked. Not his fault, life happens, but it means that I’m now looking at a summer 2017 release. It’s slightly annoying as the book itself was finished back in February, but it is what it is. Can’t be helped. By the way if you want to read the first four chapters, unedited, so no need to point out typo’s, click here!

I’m also hard at work on the second book, Forces: The Cult of 5 is the working title, I quite like it so it will likely be released as such. It has made me think that maybe it would be better to release the two in a short window, rather than put the first out there before the second is complete. I don’t know, making decisions is normally an arduous process with me.

The Biggest Shared TV Universe

The John Munch shared universe.

My girlfriend gave up watching the Arrowverse shows last year because she said there was too much to watch, too much to keep track of. It’s a fair comment, these shows do take up a lot of time and with a new one (Black Lightning) looking to join the already busy CW line-up next year, it’s only going to need more time dedicated to it. Thankfully, most of these shows have improved this season, with the exception of The Flash, so keeping up with them all isn’t quite the chore it was becoming last year. But it got me thinking, what is the TV shared universe that would take the longest to watch if you started from the beginning? It has to be the Star Trek franchise, right? Wrong.

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But first let’s take a look at the Arrowverse. By the end of next month when the 2016-2017 season winds down, we’ll have the following. 5 seasons of Arrow, 3 seasons of The Flash and 2 seasons a piece for Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl. Now of course as the character of John Constantine showed up in Árrow’s fourth run, we need to include Constantine (1 season), adding to this is the animated series Vixen (2 seasons) which has featured crossovers both ways.

So, what about the episode counts? Well, Arrow will hit 115 episodes at the close of its current run, thanks to its 23 episode a season length. Flash will reach 69 episodes with the same episode length per year, Legends of Tomorrow with its shorter runs bowed out until October with 33 episodes, whilst Supergirl will reach 42. Constantine ran for one season and consisted of 13 episodes, which leaves Vixen, a much shorter show that has until now made 12 episodes across its two seasons. That gives us 284 episodes to watch, basing 272 of those at a length of 42 minutes, we have 190.4 hours to get through. Throwing in Vixen (based on an average length of 6 minutes per episodes) brings us to a total of 191.6 hours.

Arrowverse Episode Total: 284
Arrowverse Time to Watch: 7.98 Days

So quite a while, but actually less than I expected.

Let’s now look at Star Trek.

Spanning multiple shows and movies, this one took some working out!

Star Trek TOS: 3 seasons, 80 episodes (including The Cage)
Star Trek: The Next Generation: 7 seasons, 178 episodes.
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: 7 seasons, 176 episodes.
Star Trek: Voyager: 7 seasons, 172 episodes.
Star Trek: Enterprise: 4 seasons, 98 episodes.
Star Trek: The Animated Series: 2 seasons, 22 episodes.

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So that’s a whopping 726 episodes to get through. Time wise, again basing this on an average length of 42 minutes per episode (forgetting TAS) for a minute, we’re up to 492.8 hours. Throwing in the animated show with an average of 30 minutes per ep, that lifts the total to 503.8. But, with Star Trek, there are the movies to consider, and there’s a lot of them. Currently, we’re up to 13 of them with a combined run time of approximately 1517 minutes, so 25.28 hours.

Star Trek Episode Total: 726
Star Trek Movie Total: 13
Star Trek Time to Watch: 22.04 Days.

I genuinely thought that was the biggest, surely no other television franchise or shared universe could beat that?

Law and Order

Well it has been beaten, by Law and Order, and in particular one character from it, John Munch, played by Richard Belzer.

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I like to call this the John Munch shared universe. Now there are those that don’t think all his appearances are canonical, I’m taking the approach that they are, with the exception of Sesame Street, because, well it’s Sesame Street.

Now, John Much started out in Homicide: Life on the Street, which on its own clocked up 122 episodes across 7 seasons (plus a TV movie). When that show finished, the character was moved over to the Law and Order franchise, heading up spin off show, Law and Order SVU, connecting those two series to one another. And, well this is where things get complicated.

The original Law and Order series ran for 20 seasons and 456 episodes, (it also had a TV movie). It’s spin off SVU is still going and is just about to finish its 18th season (it will reach 411 episodes). It’s third spin off show, Criminal Intent (195 episodes), ran for 10 seasons, the fourth, Trial by Jury (13 episodes) only aired for a single run as did the 5th show, Law and Order: LA (22 episodes). (There are two new shows in development).
So now, we can combine those 2 franchises, and that gives us 1219 episodes. Time wise that’s 853.3 hours, with the two movies thrown in that’s 856.4 hours, or 35.68 days. Which is a lot, but we’re not done.

John Munch, didn’t just appear in these two shows, he crossed over to several more and as such, there’s an argument to be made that he validates the existence of all these other shows within the continuity that Homicide and Law and Order exist in.

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So, his character also appeared in an episode of The X-Files, a sixth season instalment called Unusual Suspects, That show originally ran for 9 seasons and consisted of 202 episodes and a movie. A second movie was released in 2008 before the show returned to the small screen in 2016 for a 6 episode revival. The run time for all that clocks up to 149.35 hours. The Lone Gunmen and Millennium are two more shows that exist in this universe, the former only managed 13 episodes, whilst the latter made it to 67. So altogether, that’s 200.85 hours, or 8.36 days. Combine that with the Homicide and Law and Order shows and we’re up to 63435 minutes, or 1057.25 hours, 44.05 days.
It doesn’t stop there.

Munch also appeared in the short lived show The Beat. Whilst 13 episodes were made, only 6 aired, and as far as I can tell, the remaining 7 episodes have never been released, so we’ll call this one 6. That’s 252 minutes, or 4.2 hours.

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Next up there’s comedy show Arrested Development, Munch showed up in the third season. That show ran for 4 seasons, its first 3 averaged at 21 minutes per episode whilst its fourth run on Netflix varied. Combined, let’s say 1602 minutes, or 26.7 hours.

And then there’s The Wire. Munch appeared in a fifth season scene in that, so therefore, we include it. It ran for 60 episodes, if we base 59 of those at an average run time of 57 minutes, and then include the extended finale of 93 minutes, we get 3456 minutes, or 57.6 hours, so another 2.4 days.

Combining all of that, we come to a minute count of 68745, an hour count of 1145.75, and a day count of 47.73. Phew, well at least we’re done. Except, we’re not, not even close.

Going back to Homicide, that show crossed over with Chicago Hope during its fourth run. Hope ran for 6 seasons and gave us 141 episodes. Basing them on an average of 43 minutes, we get 6063 minutes, so that’s 101.05 hours and another 4.21 days.

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Chicago Hope crossed over with the show Picket Fences, which incidentally nearly crossed over with The X-Files for the second season episode Red Museum (The X-Files is about to get included in all this anyway). Fences ran for 4 seasons and 88 episodes, giving us an increase of 3696 minutes, 61.6 hours, 2.56 days.

Now, back to Law and Order. The original show had a crossover with Conviction, not the recent Hayley Atwell failure, but the 2006 failure. That show ran for 13 episodes, so again lifts our count by 546 minutes which is 9.1 hours. It also featured a crossover with In Plain Sight, that lasted 5 seasons with a total of 61 episodes. Basing this on a 46 minute per episode average, we lift the overall minute count by 2806, an hour count of 46.7 and a day count of 1.94.

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Now there’s yet another show that the Law and Order franchise crossed over with. SVU featured a crossover with Chicago PD, which is itself a spin off from Chicago Fire. The franchise is still going and now has two more shows to add to its numbers, Chicago Med and Chicago Justice. Fire will reach 115 episodes at the end of this season, PD will hit 84, Med reaches 41, whilst newcomer Justice will finish the season on 13. So that’s 253 episodes, 10626 minutes, 177.1 hours, 7.37 days.

We also have St Elsewhere to consider. Two characters from that series showed up in Homicide despite the former concluding several years before the latter even began. St Elsewhere ran for 6 seasons and produced 137 episodes, basing those on 46 minutes each, we get 6307 minutes, 105.03 hours and 4.37 days.

Next up there’s New York Undercover. Now this one didn’t actually feature any crossovers with other shows as far as I know, but creator Dick Wolf has said that it definitely takes place in the same universe, so, we have to include it. It ran for 89 episodes, again, basing that on a 46-minute run time, we go up by 4094 minutes, 68.23 hours and 2.84 days.

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Now we go to Deadline, a series set at the fictitious New York Ledger, this was a paper that featured in the Law and Order franchise so again, needs to be included. It didn’t last long. 13 episodes was its lot which gives us 546 minutes or 9.1 hours.

Finally, there’s Jo. A little known French series that believe it or not, does exist within the fictional world along with all these other shows. The show went along during its brief run as its own thing, before pulling out a villain from Law and Order: Criminal Intent in its final episode, thus combining the two worlds. The 8 46 minute episodes give us a final increase of 368 minutes/6.13 hours.

Now keep in mind this is just live action non puppet related shows, I’m not including things like The Simpsons crossover with The X-Files, or John Munch turning up on Sesame Street, if you want to think of them as canon then good luck to you opening all the doors that animation will present!

So, our final total for the John Munch fictional universe is:
103,797 minutes
1729.95 hours
72.08 days.

So if you start this tomorrow, (7th April) and you don’t work, you don’t do anything else but watch this and sleep (say 9 hours sleep a day) it will take you 115 days to watch the lot. I don’t advise it.

The Arrowverse doesn’t seem so bad now.